Demolition @ 8th and Hubbard
This update is based purely on my observations. There is actually very little information on the status of the construction at the Better Jacksonville website. An amazing application, if the city had the foresight to develop it, would a website where I could subscribe to either email updates or an RSS feed for construction updates. I’m sure the city tracks the progress of each project, now if they would only let us track the progress too.
Beside the barrel barricades lining the streets, here’s what’s shakin’. A great old building 8th and Hubbard was demolished. It must have been condemned. It would be awesome to see a nice restaurant or coffee shop at 8th and Hubbard. The photo above is what it looked like before demolition.
Various blocks are missing their sidewalks. It seems hit OR miss when it comes to which blocks retained their sidewalks. After last night’s rain the blocks that don’t have sidewalks will surely make for some messy foot traffic.
The city has set up a staging area on Hubbard between 7th and 8th. This is where they are keeping all of their materials and heavy equipment.
That’s all for know. I sure as shootin look forward to the day I can talk about sidewalks being poured and building being built instead of demolished.
tags: jacksonville, springfield, 8th street
That building was owned by Stephen Dare and was accidentally demolished. For some reason the construction crews undermined the building with their heavy equipment, causing it to partially collapse and forcing the city to issue an emergency tear down order.
To bad, it was about to undergo a renovation that would have put something in it that would have added to the revitalization of Springfield’s commercial corridor.
I believe more effort needs to be given to saving the few historic commercial structures left lining Main & 8th Streets. This is the second along that stretch, that has been torn down in connection with this streetscape project.
Imo, these buildings add just as much to the character of Springfield as the frame residential structures do.
What’s the purpose of having a streetscape, if its loaded with vacant lots? Okay, now that my rants over, I can carry on with my work day.
Vacant lots are much more attractive than the vacant half assed structures littering Springfield. Vacant lots are loaded with unencumbered possibilities without forfeiting Springfield’s character.
I think the rant is well deserved. I don’t understand how buildings can be “accidentally demolished”. Does the city have no respect for private property, much less historical private property. I’m just glad I snapped a picture of it before it was torn down.
I wonder if Stephen has anything to say on this topic?
We still must strive to keep as many historic strcutures as possible. These structures, while dilapidated, harbor character that is esential to the identity of the district.
Tear down all the non-historic buildings you want, but please leave the historic ones for future renovation.
It wasn;t that long ago that nearly EVERY structure in Springfield was a vacant half assed structure.
I’m glad they didn’t tear everything down then.
Joey
yes it was fairly annoying that they building came down.
John and I purchased the building for the purpose of keeping it from being demolished.
What sucks the most is that we held the property for three and a half years until we found a developer who committed to restoring it rather than bulldozing.
The city, in the process of doing the improvements work, excavated the foundations on the back, collaping the corner.
to make matters worse, tried to cover up the evidence by filling the trench up with sand, and then bulldozing it before anyone could prove they did it.
Luckily a springfielder came out to boomtown immediately and got us. (Derek Hudson also happened to be at Boomtown at the time and drove me to the site immediately)
Me and John went into the building while it was collapsing and photographed the inside of the structure and came away with photographs showing the clawmarks from the bulldozer having taken three feet of the floor past the exterior…..unbeleivable.
I then went the next day and had to physically jump onto the bulldozer in order to save the bricks for the neighborhood.
I dont know if you saw it on the news, joey, but John and I donated all the perfect bricks to anyone in the neighborhood who wanted them.
It pissed the demolition company off and for a little while I thought I was going to get a little bit of an asskicking while I was out on the site, but I was very proud that Springfield responded so quickly, that the next day they couldnt even get onto the property because of all the brick scavengers.
I suppose well have to argue with the city’s insurance company now.
Stephen Dare
accidental, like the one at 8th and market, the one next to the klutho, the one at 8th and pearl.
watch where you step. i bet some accidental mix use condos go up at all these spots. so should the property taxes. clearly those lots are more valuable now than they were with pesky historic structures so easily neglected.
Interesting point of view:
so should the property taxes. clearly those lots are more valuable now than they were with pesky historic structures so easily neglected.
I would never think something that nefarious could be in the works…
Stephen,
Maybe you can hook me up with some of the photos and we can post them on the blog.
i wish i didnt privately agree with anonymous.
the city didnt want any of those structures to remain standing.
after practically (well, actually) calling craig a liar in print on the subject of his city involved building collapses, i then had to go and apologize to him for doing so (….which i would almost rather do anything else than.)
it seems like you would have to be pretty damned forgetful not to realize that you were ripping out a foundation.
If there’s not going to be a committment to save the historic commercial structures of Springfield, then what’s the purpose of calling it a historic district in the first place? Lets go ahead and get it over with and mow the entire corridor down Detriot style and grow an urban prarie!
Someone was telling me that they saw you on the news, Stephen. Their account was completely different than what you just said, tho. I can’t put any faith in the heresay and therefore take your word for granted. As for my opinion on the matter, that building had no roof, was half covered with a bathroom tile facade, and had a rusty sign that was in need of restoration. In all, a lot of work. I can only imagine a developer would demolish it rather than doing all the necessary structural and cosmetic repairs.
And, the story I got from my not so official source was that the building was condemned long ago and was _intentionally_ torn down by JEA. The project scope was to replace all water pipes and re-pave 8th street. I don’t know why replacing water pipes require demolition of condemned structures, but who knows.
I can’t for the life of me understand why JEA would tear down the building, when the owner had plans to restore it. What gives them the right to rip down private property without the owner’s consent or even letting him know what was going on?
heres a transcript of what was on four…..
http://www.news4jax.com/news/9156167/detail.html
Like many of the old buildings, the building was condemned. We were in the process of selling the building to a contractor (maybe a week before closing…)
We had an engineering report and an appraisal that show the building, although roofless was sound.
In any case the new owner was a general contractor whose plan was to convert the building into a home for his daughter and to rent the downstairs out for office and cafe space.
We spent a lot of time finding a new owner—-meaning one who would guarantee in the contract the preservation of the building.
Derek Igou, of the property safety division assures me that the damage was accidental, and I have a pretty high opinion of Derek, so I would hesitate before making any claims to the contrary.
The building was apparently set to have a hearing regarding its seaworthiness and the city’s desire to demolish it, but the hearing had not happened and we had not been notified.
Apparently I am very difficult to find. Although I can’t imagine that I would be difficult to find at all.
Lakelander it IS a shame that there isnt any strength in the historic preservation designation. The city has found several ways around the requirements of preservation, and I can tell you from personal experience on the ground that the parts of the city which plan and execute the demolitions could give one flying flip about historic importance.
One of the lunkheads on the ground told me that the building deserved to be destroyed on the basis of it being in a crime district.
When I responded that buildings, largely didnt commit crimes, this seemed to be exactly what he would expect from a commie loving preservationist like myself.
Preservation and the importance of it just are not a universal value in this town.
The easy thing is to tear stuff down and rebuild with crappy cardboard and wet pine.
sucks.
Stephen Dare
Easy, nobody is rebuilding with “crappy cardboard and wet pine”.
lol anonymous,
I meant to say crappy sheet rock and wet pine…..
end of the day, hurricane provided, not much difference.
It will be quite a challenge for the majority of the new construction taking place in this (and every other city) to remain standing for fifty more years.
The plaster, brick, and oak skeletons of the traditional homes kept them intact for hundreds of years, with care.
Its hard to argue that there hasnt been a crappification of construction over the past 40 years, especially in the home markets. Andrew didnt really destroy the old neighborhoods of south florida, but it was catastrophic to the new construction of Homestead.
Just an observation on the relative merits of old encumbered structures.
Stephen Dare.
[…] The sidewalks on both sides of 8th street are gone. This is the only visible difference since my last update on the 8th Street construction. I have no doubt there is more going just beneath the surface, infrastructre and all that. The city sure hasn’t provided a timely update on the website devoted to citywide road and infrastructure improvements: The Better Jacksonville Plan. […]