Comments on: Seven Points To Improve The Times-Union and Jacksonville.com http://www.urbanjacksonville.info/2009/06/30/seven-points-to-improve-the-times-union-and-jacksonvillecom/ A blog about Downtown Jacksonville, Springfield and other urban neighborhoods Mon, 19 Dec 2011 01:44:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: skink http://www.urbanjacksonville.info/2009/06/30/seven-points-to-improve-the-times-union-and-jacksonvillecom/comment-page-1/#comment-194508 skink Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:01:00 +0000 http://www.urbanjacksonville.info/?p=3030#comment-194508 Marilyn, <br>I thought of a couple examples today.<br>first however, I think i let my frustration with corporate media bleed into my earlier suggestions. there is an inherent bias...or maybe that is not the right word...lets say this- a disservice is done to the public as the media gets more and more consolidated and stockholder expectations have more influence in decisions that should lie with people committed to the traditional responsibilities of journalism. It is ridiculous to expect one newsroom to counter this influence. Bill Moyers wrote powerfully about how he thinks journalist should work together to counter this influence in the foreward of a book I m reading. you might enjoy it.<br>"The future of Media: Resistance and Reform in the 21st century"<br><br>The TU does a great job with what they have...I pick it up out of the driveway every morning and will continue to. <br>Thanks to everyone for their work. <br><br>and thanks for those long ago field trips to watch the presses run!<br><br>now to my examples. the coverage of the Cecil field fiasco covered by David Decamp. It was a great bit of work..and i miss decamp.<br>I remember a press conference in which a local pastor said that faith leaders might be hesitant to critcize the Mayor for fear of losing faith based initiative money. no one had anything significant to say about it..except no comment or a denial, those denials ended that angle.<br>I might be recalling it incorrectly and i certainly don't know how you would dig into such an issue...but knowing Jacksonville it struck me a productive avenue that was neglected.<br>A recent example of great reporting, Jeff Brumley's work on the JSO/FBC blogger identity "outing," is my second instance.<br>Jeff explored and explained the particulars very equitably. also, some of the reader comments were informative and thought provoking.<br>however, being a serial blog commenter of the anonymous persuasion I had serious questions about the methodology and justification used by the JSO to obtain that bloggers identity. <br>the idea that a person could file a simple complaint and obtain my identity( or just have me checked out) is unsettling.<br><br>I know anonymity strikes many journalist as offensive or unprofessional. I wish that it did not. non-professionals dont have the time, resources, or the craft that you guys do....but anonymity, within the law, can be one of our most powerful tools. i would like to learn more about what the JSO and State's Attorney believe my rights as a blogger are.<br>thanks for listening. Marilyn,
I thought of a couple examples today.
first however, I think i let my frustration with corporate media bleed into my earlier suggestions. there is an inherent bias…or maybe that is not the right word…lets say this- a disservice is done to the public as the media gets more and more consolidated and stockholder expectations have more influence in decisions that should lie with people committed to the traditional responsibilities of journalism. It is ridiculous to expect one newsroom to counter this influence. Bill Moyers wrote powerfully about how he thinks journalist should work together to counter this influence in the foreward of a book I m reading. you might enjoy it.
“The future of Media: Resistance and Reform in the 21st century”

The TU does a great job with what they have…I pick it up out of the driveway every morning and will continue to.
Thanks to everyone for their work.

and thanks for those long ago field trips to watch the presses run!

now to my examples. the coverage of the Cecil field fiasco covered by David Decamp. It was a great bit of work..and i miss decamp.
I remember a press conference in which a local pastor said that faith leaders might be hesitant to critcize the Mayor for fear of losing faith based initiative money. no one had anything significant to say about it..except no comment or a denial, those denials ended that angle.
I might be recalling it incorrectly and i certainly don't know how you would dig into such an issue…but knowing Jacksonville it struck me a productive avenue that was neglected.
A recent example of great reporting, Jeff Brumley's work on the JSO/FBC blogger identity “outing,” is my second instance.
Jeff explored and explained the particulars very equitably. also, some of the reader comments were informative and thought provoking.
however, being a serial blog commenter of the anonymous persuasion I had serious questions about the methodology and justification used by the JSO to obtain that bloggers identity.
the idea that a person could file a simple complaint and obtain my identity( or just have me checked out) is unsettling.

I know anonymity strikes many journalist as offensive or unprofessional. I wish that it did not. non-professionals dont have the time, resources, or the craft that you guys do….but anonymity, within the law, can be one of our most powerful tools. i would like to learn more about what the JSO and State's Attorney believe my rights as a blogger are.
thanks for listening.

]]> By: Marilyn_Young http://www.urbanjacksonville.info/2009/06/30/seven-points-to-improve-the-times-union-and-jacksonvillecom/comment-page-1/#comment-194506 Marilyn_Young Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:23:07 +0000 http://www.urbanjacksonville.info/?p=3030#comment-194506 Hi Reid,<br> Thanks for your comments.<br> Unfortunately, our business can't just be about the physical newspaper anymore. By concentrating on just that would be career suicide because many people are turning to the Web for their news. And there's no better place to get it at than <a href="http://jacksonville.com" rel="nofollow">jacksonville.com</a>.<br> The characteristics you say make a good newspaper are to report and do it well. And I totally agree with them. We do that pretty well and will continue to get even better.<br> But we have to do that on <a href="http://jax.com" rel="nofollow">jax.com</a>, too, for the growing number of readers we're getting there. Doing that means adding audio and/or video, although we're still working to figure out a strategy for both of those.<br> I definitely agree with you that a lot of people still want print. I find that totally awesome. And we're giving them a great newspaper.<br> You say the suggestions from other in this thread aren't what you would want us to do. Please share what ideas, suggestions, concerns, etc. that you have for the newspaper.<br> I'd love to hear them. You can post them here and/or email me at marilyn.young@jacksonville. Hi Reid,
Thanks for your comments.
Unfortunately, our business can't just be about the physical newspaper anymore. By concentrating on just that would be career suicide because many people are turning to the Web for their news. And there's no better place to get it at than jacksonville.com.
The characteristics you say make a good newspaper are to report and do it well. And I totally agree with them. We do that pretty well and will continue to get even better.
But we have to do that on jax.com, too, for the growing number of readers we're getting there. Doing that means adding audio and/or video, although we're still working to figure out a strategy for both of those.
I definitely agree with you that a lot of people still want print. I find that totally awesome. And we're giving them a great newspaper.
You say the suggestions from other in this thread aren't what you would want us to do. Please share what ideas, suggestions, concerns, etc. that you have for the newspaper.
I'd love to hear them. You can post them here and/or email me at marilyn.young@jacksonville.

]]> By: Marilyn_Young http://www.urbanjacksonville.info/2009/06/30/seven-points-to-improve-the-times-union-and-jacksonvillecom/comment-page-1/#comment-194507 Marilyn_Young Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:53:19 +0000 http://www.urbanjacksonville.info/?p=3030#comment-194507 Hi Claire,<br> No need to clarify anything. I understood what you were saying. I didn't take any offense to anything you said, and I certainly didn't think you were questioning our commitment to ethics.<br>I agree we need someone or several someones to moderate the conversation online, both to get us more engaged in it and to hopefully keep people a little more in line.<br>And we will do a better job telling folks on big stories about what it took to get it done.<br>Feel free to contact me anytime with questions, concerns, thoughts, etc. Hi Claire,
No need to clarify anything. I understood what you were saying. I didn't take any offense to anything you said, and I certainly didn't think you were questioning our commitment to ethics.
I agree we need someone or several someones to moderate the conversation online, both to get us more engaged in it and to hopefully keep people a little more in line.
And we will do a better job telling folks on big stories about what it took to get it done.
Feel free to contact me anytime with questions, concerns, thoughts, etc.

]]> By: skink http://www.urbanjacksonville.info/2009/06/30/seven-points-to-improve-the-times-union-and-jacksonvillecom/comment-page-1/#comment-189198 skink Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:01:00 +0000 http://www.urbanjacksonville.info/?p=3030#comment-189198 Marilyn, <br>I thought of a couple examples today.<br>first however, I think i let my frustration with corporate media bleed into my earlier suggestions. there is an inherent bias...or maybe that is not the right word...lets say this- a disservice is done to the public as the media gets more and more consolidated and stockholder expectations have more influence in decisions that should lie with people committed to the traditional responsibilities of journalism. It is ridiculous to expect one newsroom to counter this influence. Bill Moyers wrote powerfully about how he thinks journalist should work together to counter this influence in the foreward of a book I m reading. you might enjoy it.<br>"The future of Media: Resistance and Reform in the 21st century"<br><br>The TU does a great job with what they have...I pick it up out of the driveway every morning and will continue to. <br>Thanks to everyone for their work. <br><br>and thanks for those long ago field trips to watch the presses run!<br><br>now to my examples. the coverage of the Cecil field fiasco covered by David Decamp. It was a great bit of work..and i miss decamp.<br>I remember a press conference in which a local pastor said that faith leaders might be hesitant to critcize the Mayor for fear of losing faith based initiative money. no one had anything significant to say about it..except no comment or a denial, those denials ended that angle.<br>I might be recalling it incorrectly and i certainly don't know how you would dig into such an issue...but knowing Jacksonville it struck me a productive avenue that was neglected.<br>A recent example of great reporting, Jeff Brumley's work on the JSO/FBC blogger identity "outing," is my second instance.<br>Jeff explored and explained the particulars very equitably. also, some of the reader comments were informative and thought provoking.<br>however, being a serial blog commenter of the anonymous persuasion I had serious questions about the methodology and justification used by the JSO to obtain that bloggers identity. <br>the idea that a person could file a simple complaint and obtain my identity( or just have me checked out) is unsettling.<br><br>I know anonymity strikes many journalist as offensive or unprofessional. I wish that it did not. non-professionals dont have the time, resources, or the craft that you guys do....but anonymity, within the law, can be one of our most powerful tools. i would like to learn more about what the JSO and State's Attorney believe my rights as a blogger are.<br>thanks for listening. Marilyn,
I thought of a couple examples today.
first however, I think i let my frustration with corporate media bleed into my earlier suggestions. there is an inherent bias…or maybe that is not the right word…lets say this- a disservice is done to the public as the media gets more and more consolidated and stockholder expectations have more influence in decisions that should lie with people committed to the traditional responsibilities of journalism. It is ridiculous to expect one newsroom to counter this influence. Bill Moyers wrote powerfully about how he thinks journalist should work together to counter this influence in the foreward of a book I m reading. you might enjoy it.
“The future of Media: Resistance and Reform in the 21st century”

The TU does a great job with what they have…I pick it up out of the driveway every morning and will continue to.
Thanks to everyone for their work.

and thanks for those long ago field trips to watch the presses run!

now to my examples. the coverage of the Cecil field fiasco covered by David Decamp. It was a great bit of work..and i miss decamp.
I remember a press conference in which a local pastor said that faith leaders might be hesitant to critcize the Mayor for fear of losing faith based initiative money. no one had anything significant to say about it..except no comment or a denial, those denials ended that angle.
I might be recalling it incorrectly and i certainly don't know how you would dig into such an issue…but knowing Jacksonville it struck me a productive avenue that was neglected.
A recent example of great reporting, Jeff Brumley's work on the JSO/FBC blogger identity “outing,” is my second instance.
Jeff explored and explained the particulars very equitably. also, some of the reader comments were informative and thought provoking.
however, being a serial blog commenter of the anonymous persuasion I had serious questions about the methodology and justification used by the JSO to obtain that bloggers identity.
the idea that a person could file a simple complaint and obtain my identity( or just have me checked out) is unsettling.

I know anonymity strikes many journalist as offensive or unprofessional. I wish that it did not. non-professionals dont have the time, resources, or the craft that you guys do….but anonymity, within the law, can be one of our most powerful tools. i would like to learn more about what the JSO and State's Attorney believe my rights as a blogger are.
thanks for listening.

]]> By: Marilyn_Young http://www.urbanjacksonville.info/2009/06/30/seven-points-to-improve-the-times-union-and-jacksonvillecom/comment-page-1/#comment-189192 Marilyn_Young Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:23:07 +0000 http://www.urbanjacksonville.info/?p=3030#comment-189192 Hi Reid,<br> Thanks for your comments.<br> Unfortunately, our business can't just be about the physical newspaper anymore. By concentrating on just that would be career suicide because many people are turning to the Web for their news. And there's no better place to get it at than <a href="http://jacksonville.com" rel="nofollow">jacksonville.com</a>.<br> The characteristics you say make a good newspaper are to report and do it well. And I totally agree with them. We do that pretty well and will continue to get even better.<br> But we have to do that on <a href="http://jax.com" rel="nofollow">jax.com</a>, too, for the growing number of readers we're getting there. Doing that means adding audio and/or video, although we're still working to figure out a strategy for both of those.<br> I definitely agree with you that a lot of people still want print. I find that totally awesome. And we're giving them a great newspaper.<br> You say the suggestions from other in this thread aren't what you would want us to do. Please share what ideas, suggestions, concerns, etc. that you have for the newspaper.<br> I'd love to hear them. You can post them here and/or email me at marilyn.young@jacksonville. Hi Reid,
Thanks for your comments.
Unfortunately, our business can't just be about the physical newspaper anymore. By concentrating on just that would be career suicide because many people are turning to the Web for their news. And there's no better place to get it at than jacksonville.com.
The characteristics you say make a good newspaper are to report and do it well. And I totally agree with them. We do that pretty well and will continue to get even better.
But we have to do that on jax.com, too, for the growing number of readers we're getting there. Doing that means adding audio and/or video, although we're still working to figure out a strategy for both of those.
I definitely agree with you that a lot of people still want print. I find that totally awesome. And we're giving them a great newspaper.
You say the suggestions from other in this thread aren't what you would want us to do. Please share what ideas, suggestions, concerns, etc. that you have for the newspaper.
I'd love to hear them. You can post them here and/or email me at marilyn.young@jacksonville.

]]> By: Marilyn_Young http://www.urbanjacksonville.info/2009/06/30/seven-points-to-improve-the-times-union-and-jacksonvillecom/comment-page-1/#comment-189190 Marilyn_Young Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:53:19 +0000 http://www.urbanjacksonville.info/?p=3030#comment-189190 Hi Claire,<br> No need to clarify anything. I understood what you were saying. I didn't take any offense to anything you said, and I certainly didn't think you were questioning our commitment to ethics.<br>I agree we need someone or several someones to moderate the conversation online, both to get us more engaged in it and to hopefully keep people a little more in line.<br>And we will do a better job telling folks on big stories about what it took to get it done.<br>Feel free to contact me anytime with questions, concerns, thoughts, etc. Hi Claire,
No need to clarify anything. I understood what you were saying. I didn't take any offense to anything you said, and I certainly didn't think you were questioning our commitment to ethics.
I agree we need someone or several someones to moderate the conversation online, both to get us more engaged in it and to hopefully keep people a little more in line.
And we will do a better job telling folks on big stories about what it took to get it done.
Feel free to contact me anytime with questions, concerns, thoughts, etc.

]]> By: Reid http://www.urbanjacksonville.info/2009/06/30/seven-points-to-improve-the-times-union-and-jacksonvillecom/comment-page-1/#comment-189188 Reid Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:20:55 +0000 http://www.urbanjacksonville.info/?p=3030#comment-189188 Uggggh. Please do none of those. <i>JUST BE A NEWSPAPER</i>. Put out a good quality paper, in a <i>PHYSICAL</i> form, with good reporting and that is what will make the TU better. It is not a website or "social media" platform. It is a newspaper and those of us who like quality print journalism will read. <br>If I want news in audio and video, I'll watch the news. Otherwise, your reporters should be good enough that we don't <i>need</i> audio and visual or to "drive a conversation". REPORT, and do it WELL. That is what makes a good paper. I don't give a darn about your wesbite, because you aren't a website, you are a news provider. There are still some of us, who are less than 40 years old too, who want a normal functioning newspaper and know that a quality paper can thrive. All this wesbite crap makes you indistniguishable from all the other internet-based news coverage, so why would I come to a TU website? Other websites, however, do not have PRINT, which, believe it or not, a lot of people still want. These suggestions are NOT what I want and I've been reading the paper for 15+ years. Uggggh. Please do none of those. JUST BE A NEWSPAPER. Put out a good quality paper, in a PHYSICAL form, with good reporting and that is what will make the TU better. It is not a website or “social media” platform. It is a newspaper and those of us who like quality print journalism will read.
If I want news in audio and video, I'll watch the news. Otherwise, your reporters should be good enough that we don't need audio and visual or to “drive a conversation”. REPORT, and do it WELL. That is what makes a good paper. I don't give a darn about your wesbite, because you aren't a website, you are a news provider. There are still some of us, who are less than 40 years old too, who want a normal functioning newspaper and know that a quality paper can thrive. All this wesbite crap makes you indistniguishable from all the other internet-based news coverage, so why would I come to a TU website? Other websites, however, do not have PRINT, which, believe it or not, a lot of people still want. These suggestions are NOT what I want and I've been reading the paper for 15+ years.

]]> By: edliberatori http://www.urbanjacksonville.info/2009/06/30/seven-points-to-improve-the-times-union-and-jacksonvillecom/comment-page-1/#comment-189185 edliberatori Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:23:25 +0000 http://www.urbanjacksonville.info/?p=3030#comment-189185 Excellent post Joey, and I am loving the comments - thoughtful and productive.... Excellent post Joey, and I am loving the comments – thoughtful and productive….

]]> By: Joey Marchy http://www.urbanjacksonville.info/2009/06/30/seven-points-to-improve-the-times-union-and-jacksonvillecom/comment-page-1/#comment-189184 Joey Marchy Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:14:27 +0000 http://www.urbanjacksonville.info/?p=3030#comment-189184 Bill, thanks for the comments and encouragement on the show. We skipped a show yesterday to talk about the future. It's only going to get better. Bill, thanks for the comments and encouragement on the show. We skipped a show yesterday to talk about the future. It's only going to get better.

]]> By: Joey Marchy http://www.urbanjacksonville.info/2009/06/30/seven-points-to-improve-the-times-union-and-jacksonvillecom/comment-page-1/#comment-189183 Joey Marchy Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:12:57 +0000 http://www.urbanjacksonville.info/?p=3030#comment-189183 You're welcome. Thanks for taking the time to comment. You're welcome. Thanks for taking the time to comment.

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